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Honda Harmony 215 Transmission Problems

Updated on March 30, 2016

Let’s face it: the Honda Harmony 215 is a great lawn mower. It’s self-propelled, it has more power than your standard mower, and it mulches great with a killer mulching blade. But, it seems like everyone is looking for information on how to fix its transmission. I watched videos, read all kinds of forums, and checked out Yahoo Answers, but nothing seemed to answer my question, “How do I fix my Honda Harmony transmission?”

When I couldn't find a good answer to this question, I decided to take matters into my own hands and fix my transmission problem myself. Now I am passing on this valuable information, along with two other transmission issues other do-it-yourself mechanics have identified, and a bonus carburetor cleaning process. Please leave a comment if you have any questions; maybe I can help.

Transmission Problem #1: Drift Key on Axle Shaft

I was reluctant to remove the transmission because it is buried inside the lawnmower. But because I really wanted my self-propulsion back, I sucked it up and dug in. It really wasn’t too bad once I got the lower cover off under the mower deck; that gave me a really good view of the transmission. But in fact there is no need to go this far, if you have the problem I did. In my case, the problem was the drift key on the drive gear.

Replacing the transmission would have been one way to fix my problem, because along with the transmission I would have replaced the part that was giving me the problem. The new transmission comes with a new axle shaft, and the axle shaft is where the problem exists.

The Drift Key Was the Problem

This drift key is what causes the ratcheting noise when you pull the lawn mower backwards. The key is spring-loaded, and the spring is part of the shaft. This spring needs to move freely in and out of the axle shaft. If the key is sticking in the shaft, the rear wheels will not engage completely, and will cause a jerking or a stutter when trying to engage the transmission.

Honda Harmony 215 Drive System

Drive Gear
Drive Gear
Notice where the drift key would seat
Notice where the drift key would seat
Gear, drift key, snap ring and washer set
Gear, drift key, snap ring and washer set
Rear wheel with metal gear
Rear wheel with metal gear
Axle shaft with drift key slot. The spring is located inside the axle shaft.
Axle shaft with drift key slot. The spring is located inside the axle shaft.

Remove the Rear Wheels

If you’re anything like me, you probably have had the rear wheels off your Honda Harmony 215 many times, and you probably have had the small drive gear off as well. There is a small drift key between the drive gear and the shaft. The drive gear is directional, which means it needs to go on the shaft a certain way. If you reinstall it in the wrong direction, it won’t drive the wheel.

Care of the Axle Shaft

Clean any debris and dirt off the shaft and make sure there are no burrs on the axle shaft. If there are, lightly file them down. Grease the shaft and the key so all parts move freely.

Proper Installation of the Drive Gear is a Must

Reinstall the drive gear in the proper direction and reinstall the snap ring. When you turn the drive gear clockwise, it should move freely, and you should hear the ratcheting noise. When you turn it counterclockwise, the drive gear should grab the drift key and rotate the axle shaft. Reinstall the wheels and give her a test run. See my video below.

Adjusting the Transmission Shift Cable

One other adjustment I needed to make was the transmission shift cable (this is different from the cable to engage the wheels). The linkage on the transmission seemed to have gotten a little sloppy after 14 years of use, and the cable was not engaging the transmission completely. Just play around with the adjustment on the shift cable so that it will engage the transmission completely.


Drive Gear Needs to Be Installed Properly

A Peek Inside the Honda Harmony Transmission

This is just a quick note for the curious folks. When I went further and opened the transmission on my Honda Harmony 215—here's an article with pictures, and here's a video—I was very surprised at what I saw. I was expecting to find plastic gears all chewed up and worn out. But all the gears are hardened steel; this transmission is bulletproof, although the linkage can get pretty sloppy. Someone would have to thoroughly abuse the mower to kill this transmission. I make my lawnmower work hard, but after 14 years of use, the transmission looked like new inside, except for the old grease. I own a lot of Honda machines, and taking this lawnmower apart proved to me once again that Honda makes a great product.

Transmission Problem 2: Missing Spring on Clutch

The Transmission Problem Paul Found on His Honda Harmony Mower

Who is Paul?

Paul and I have been going back and forth with the issues with his Honda Harmony 215 SD mower, as you can read in the comments below. Paul's Honda mower is not the exact same model as mine, but he found a different problem and made some awesome funny videos to help anyone who may have the same problem; they are above and below this paragraph.

Thanks, Paul, for all the feedback and the videos, it was a pleasure helping you get through this tough repair.

If anyone else has a problem with their Honda Harmony mower and they know how to fix it, make a video and I will post it right here just like I did with Paul's videos. The videos have to be about the Honda Harmony mower and no other brand. I'll see you in the comment box at the end of this article.

Paul's Honda Harmony Fix Video #2

Transmission Issue #3: Broken C-Clip on Bearing

Donald's Honda Harmony

1994 Honda Harmony Mower Model # HRM215K1SDA
1994 Honda Harmony Mower Model # HRM215K1SDA | Source

1994 Honda Harmony Mower Transmission Issue, Model # HRM215K1SDA, by Donald

Donald is a wild and crazy guy who loves to tear apart anything that will challenge his abilities. He came to me for advice about his Honda Harmony transmission and ended up teaching me a thing or two. He said his Honda Harmony transmission would walk along the axle shaft until it hit the grass chute. It took me a while to understand what he was talking about, and eventually he sent me a video explaining it with great detail, using a hammer and a transmission! See the video below and you will understand what I mean.

He ended up tearing apart the transmission, only to find our transmissions were not alike internally or externally. He did find a broken c-clip inside the transmission that was causing his problem. The c-clip was what held the bearing race in place on the shaft; because the c-clip was being broken, the transmission would walk down the shaft, and eventually hit the grass chute and stop. Below I added some pictures from Donald's transmission; he kindly shared them for the world to see. Keep in mind that this mower sat outside for most, if not all, of its life; it's a crying shame for such a beautiful mower!

Donald's Honda Harmony Transmission Issue

Inside the Honda Harmony Transmission #HRM2151KSDA

Levers, clips and seals
Levers, clips and seals | Source
Internal parts
Internal parts | Source
Gears and shaft
Gears and shaft | Source
Broken c-clip or snap ring
Broken c-clip or snap ring | Source
Source
Grease in transmission mixed with water, from the mower sitting outside its whole life
Grease in transmission mixed with water, from the mower sitting outside its whole life | Source
Source

Bonus: Cleaning a Honda Harmony Carburetor

Cleaning a Honda Harmony Carburetor

Donald shared a great tip for all you DIY guys and gals: instead of cleaning the carb with toxic chemicals like carb cleaner, Donald likes to boil the carburetor in lemon juice, yes I said lemon juice, and it smells much better then carb cleaner. Take a look at the pictures below: the carburetor looks brand new, even the float looks super clean!

The last time I talked to Donald, he said he was making a video about this 1994 Honda Harmony HRM215K1SDA, so check back often to see if he or other readers have added even more information to this Honda Harmony page. The more we learn, the longer we can keep these bad-ass machines alive!

Using Lemon Juice to Clean a Carburetor

Rusted carburetor
Rusted carburetor | Source
Carburetor after boiling in lemon juice
Carburetor after boiling in lemon juice | Source

How to Remove a Stud from a Lawn Mower Carburetor

Lawn Mower Carburetor Cleaning Tips

Honda... What Will They Think of Next?

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      Honda HRX217 Blades won't disengage 3 months ago

      The subject line says it all

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      Eddie Carrara 3 months ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Frank,

      That may be a little tricky, I'm not sure how that engine is timed. I'm pretty sure it's an overhead cam. I recommend checking YouTube, you will most likely find a video explaining it in detail, lol.

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      Frank 3 months ago

      Hey Eddie! Well I'm thrilled that you have this resource..... I purchased a Honda hrm 215 last month with the owner telling me that it was working the year prior and it prob needed a tune up.... anyway I bought it in hopes of using it.... little did I know that he canabalized it! Linkages were missing and off... carb was loose etc.... anyway got it all out back together... cleaned it and put a new bowl on it cause it had pitted badly..... I GOT IT TO RUN! I could believe it.... but much to my disappointment I noticed a small oil leak buy the cylinder head..... I'm hoping it's the gasket? :( any suggestions? And how difficult is it to change? Thanks

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      David 3 months ago

      Thanks for taking the time to post such great info! Cheers!

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      Eddie Carrara 5 months ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Joe,

      I don't believe you can buy parts for these transmissions, you'll need to buy the whole transmission if you can find one.

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      JosephCalabrese 5 months ago

      So I have a problem with the top pinion Bering it is very loose and the pulley is very wobbly?

      Does anyone know what the Bering part number is?

      Or has anyone else ever seen this problem before?

      I have the transmission out of the Mower already just haven't taken it apart yet.

      If anyone has any ideas for the fix please let me know.

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      Aoneil60@verizon.net 15 months ago

      Hi Eddie,

      I have an older Harmony HRB215 SXA MZBA 6339444, it's gotta be maybe 15+ yrs.old easy. So heres my problem I have , when I engage the drive I feel a studder like something is slipping and it will not go UNLESS I give it a shove OR lift the back up, the wheels start spining and I put it back down and the thing takes off strong most of the time sometimes a little slower ,then other times it wants to pull out of my hands, very inconsistent .....Mine has a plastic deck and I love the thing,it's nice and light and dont really want to get rid of it Any ideas.....Thanks!!!!!, Andrew

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      E Layne Green 15 months ago

      I have a Honda Hormany 215- 5horse.The belt for the self propulsion keeps coming off. Does the mower have an adjustment for this belt?

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      Eddie Carrara 15 months ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Dbr63,

      Sorry it took so long for a reply. Glad you figured it out, yes those gears can be deceiving, and when installed backwards, it can really stop the self propelled mower in it's tracks lol. Thanks for all the feedback dbr63, it really helps other readers with similar problems :)

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      dbr63 15 months ago

      To close the loop on my questions about not getting enough torque, i figured it out. I thought I had put the axle gears on the right direction, but I didn't. They were backwards. So what was happening was when the mower was lifted up there wasn't enough friction to allow the wheels to move, but as soon as it was put down, the gears didn't engage. I turned the gears in the proper direction and my mower's working great! Lesson learned?--make sure gears are in proper direction...

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      dbr63 16 months ago

      Hi Eddie, you certainly seem like you know what you're doing. You were the only one that was able to help diagnose my initial transmission problem, which was being caused by stuck drift keys. So I got that fixed. Thanks! Now, I'm not getting enough torque to self propel the mower. When I lift the back wheels off the ground they freely move. As soon as I place it on the ground they stop. I replace the belt and tightened the tensioner. Any suggestions? Could really use some help! Thanks

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      sirhada 16 months ago

      To take tension off the spring I wrapped bailing wire around it and used a short screwdriver to tighten it. I've heard this called a Alabama u bolt.

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      Layne 17 months ago

      Good Day Larry,

      I recently had the transmission on my Honda HRB 215 Harmony mower worked on, got it back, and the rear wheel height adjustors will move forward and backward but does not raise or lower the mower. Go figure. I would take it back, but it took the repairman 4 months just to fix the transmission. The question I for you is is there away to and how to adjust the height adjustors?

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      Eddie Carrara 2 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Larry.

      It sounds like a broken spring on your carburetor or a cable fell off.

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      larry 2 years ago

      Why would a hra 215sxa have uncontrollable high rpms?

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      Eddie Carrara 2 years ago from New Hampshire

      Wow Mark!!! I wish you had taken video and pictures during the process, this would have been great information to share with other readers, although everything you have written is awesome too. What exactly is the problem with your mower? Is the clutch not engaging? Or are the wheels skipping?

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      unfortunately my fix doesn't work when the mower is all back together. It's weird because I tested it out before re-installing the transmission.

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      I figured out that put the spring on first before putting on the belt.

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      Found a video of a guy removing and putting the spring back to change the belt. He makes it look so easy to do with only his hand. My spring requires long pulling to get it back in the hole. Makes me wonder if someone put a different spring on here than the original one. I started to think I was using the wrong spring but I double checked that's the only large spring that removed from the mower. I'm considering to go buy a longer spring.

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      Yikes it's difficult to pull the spring and line it up for the belt tension. I cannot do it. I tried pulling it with a clothes hanger to do it without it slipping from my pliers but it's almost impossible to pull it enough and then line it up properly to slip it into the hole.

      Is there some special tool for pulling a spring?

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      Wait. My lever has some play in it but it's not worn at all where yours was. In fact, my lever is plastic instead of metal and clearly designed to eliminate that point of failure that you found. Seems mine is a new model where the engineers tried to improve that weakness. It's now a large lever with a large body that fits down over the "arm" so that is has a lot of surface area to contact the arm and avoid wear and tear. In fact the lever is in perfect condition after many years of abuse.

      However, I found the problem in my case was at the opposite end of the arm to engage/disengage the transmission. At that end the metal arm has a round plastic piece that is slotted to fit over the arm and fit into the transmission housing to give is a point to swivel. However, that plastic piece was broken at one side so it was flopping and giving play.

      Then I noticed the other level to change gears was designed the same and the plastic piece there was not broken so I swapped them. And I think I was able to reassemble the transmission so that the it doesn't matter the other one is broken, it is firmly seated and won't come lose since the gear shifter gets much less abuse than engage/disengage.

      Now it only remains me to re-install the transmission!

      Thanks for all the videos and help, you really gave the confidence to give it a while and fix it myself.

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      Oh wow. Good idea to create a shim. But how did you do create a shim? I'm googling this. But never created a shim before. I'm one of those, just replace it guys but I love to repair things rather than replace if possible. That just feels more awesome. So I want to learn how to make shims.

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      Nevermind. There's 2 holes in the pulley. When put a screw driver into each of them then it held still enough to pop the knot off with a 1/2 inch drive breaker bar. Wow it was on tight. Now I'm watching your video about the fix to the transmission.

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      Well found out about flipping on its side via google. Got the snap ring off and the transmission is out!

      Now how to get the pulley off it to get to the other bolts to open up the transmission? There's whole in the pulley..looks like to put a shaft through it to hold it still but the nut (even with wd-40) seems to be frozen...it won't move even with a 1/2 inch breaker bar.

      Am I doing something wrong?

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      Yes. There is another snap ring! I looked for one before but didn't see it. Now I do see it. But it's difficult to get to it unless I flip the mower on the other side. The guy who sold it to me told me it's "dangerous" to flip the mower on one of it's sides. Is that true? I saw in your video you had it flipped on the short shaft side to work on it. So I guessed that is okay. But what if I flip it to the long shaft side to get this o-ring off?

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      Eddie Carrara 2 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Mark,

      It;s been a while since I had my height adjuster off but I believe there is another snap ring on the back side of the height adjuster. Check that out and let me know what you find, thanks. Welcome to Hubpages :) but you didn't need to join to get notified.

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      mark-walter 2 years ago

      I joined hub now. hoping to get notified when you reply.

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      Mark 2 years ago

      Eddie. Wow your Honda Harmony video is so helpful. However, the height adjuster won't come off. I already remove the 1st snap ring, the gear, then the plastic cover and the second snap ring. But the height adjuster still won't come off. I put lot of WD-40 on it, banged and pried on it but only moved about 1/16 inch. My next try will be be to buy a "puller" tool.

      It's annoying since the transmission and shaft can freely move back and forth and so it's almost free. But since the height adjuster is still on, transmission shaft cannot swivel out enough to come off.

      What am I missing? or is getting a puller the right move?

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      Eddie Carrara 2 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Stan, I don't have an answer for you, I never had to replace any parts, I went to the local Honda Power Sports Dealership but they couldn't help me.

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      Stan Jablk 2 years ago

      Where can I find internal parts for honda transmission? Looking for the clutch arms that shift speeds and engage forward motion.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      That's awesome Phil, having the right parts can make a world of difference. Thanks for all your feedback, I really appreciate it, and if you every have any other issues with the mower, please fee free to share your insight, I'm sure your not the only one to run into this problem., thanks again Phil.

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      Phil Baker 3 years ago

      Amazing how things work properly when you have the right parts! Picked up the new wheels on my way home from work on Friday. First thing I noticed was how much beefier the wheel sprocket is on the new wheel as opposed to the old wheel. I also noticed that the new sprocket is a little larger so it meshes with the axle sprocket better. No slop or play in the wheel. Both sprockets now line up perfectly.

      I got home, $80 lighter and sitting at my front door were the new parts for the drive assembly. Twenty minutes later and the mower was back in business.

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      Phil Baker 3 years ago

      I did a search also and I couldn't find the 42710-VE2-800 wheels any cheaper than my local guy's $40 per. I did see a bunch of the 42710-VE2-MOOZA wheels for alot cheaper. They also popped up when I put in the 800 number, had to take a real close look at the associated information and pics to make sure.

      Anyway, I'll send you the pics when it's back together...parts are due in Friday.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Phil,

      No, $40 for a set according to Amazon, lol. I did a Google search on your part #'s and Amazon popped up first page, I love Amazon :)

      You can always send pics to me via email, drop box or Picasa. Don't worry about that now, just get it fixed first, lol. Thanks Phil.

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      Phil Baker 3 years ago

      Wow, $40 for a wheel!! But my local outdoor power equipment dealer has 6 in stock . And $80 is still a cheap price to keep this mower running for many more years.

      Figure I'll take the old MOOZA wheel with me to compare it to the 800 model. If it's a go, I'm replacing both rear wheels. If it works, and as soon as I figure out how to post pics, I'll update this thread.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      I think you're on to something here Phil, it looks like they are two totally different wheels altogether. It's going to cost you $40 to find out if it truly is the problem. Keep me posted on what you find out Phil, this is great information for other readers. Maybe you could take some pictures or a video (or both ) and I can put them up here to add to the collection of information, it's up to you tho. Keep me posted either way, thanks Phil.

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      Phil Baker 3 years ago

      No, I have looked at the transmission and the axle and it's all r9ock solid....BUT, I do believe I have figured out my problem. I think the current rear wheels are a 42710-VE2-MOOZA. What I should have put on were 42710-VE2-800. If you look at the placement of the sprocket on the 800 you'll see that it's more in line with the end of the wheel bearing. It looks like the sprocket on the MOOZA is set back about 1/4". I think the 800 wheels are what I need.

      Thoughts?

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Phil,

      Is it possible that the axle is walking out one side of the transmission? I know that Donald (one contributing reader) had a broken clip inside the transmission and the axle was off center. Let me know if this is a possibility, thanks.

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      Phil Baker 3 years ago

      So after looking at the current wheels I see that the wheel gear needs to be about 5/16" closer to the outside of the wheel. Almost in line with the end of the wheel bearing.

      So any suggestions? How do I find out if there are different sprocket dimensions for other wheels?

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      Phil Baker 3 years ago

      Thanks but I know it's not a washer. With nothing on the shaft but the wheel and with the wheel fully seated on the shaft, it only catches the outer 1/8" of the drive gear.

      I'm beginning to think that maybe, just maybe I was sent the wrong wheels when I first repaired the mower. Once I get home I'm breaking out the micrometer and taking some measurements of both rear wheels.

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      Ellisimo 3 years ago

      Sounds like you may have a washer mounted on the wrong side of the wheel. The wheel should fully mesh with the gear drive.

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      Phil Baker 3 years ago

      Ed,

      Great, great information. I have a HRM215K3 SDA that I rescued from a neighbors trash about 3 years ago. For $75 in parts, I had an awesome machine. I have encountered a slight problem that I didn't see mentioned in any of your previous postings.

      The internal gear on the left side rear wheel engages the drive gear on the very outside edge. Only about 1/8". After awhile, the edge of the drive sprocket wears away and the drive stops working.

      This is what caused the previous owner to dispose of it.. I'm now in the process of ordering another drive sprocket.

      Any suggestions as to what I can do to get the gears to line up better?

      Thanks.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi JT,

      You shouldn't have to replace the transmission if you run out of adjustment, it just means some wearable part needs to be replace. Who ever told you that may have been smoking some grass instead of cutting it, lol. I would get a second opinion next time it needs adjusting. Thanks for the feedback JT, I really appreciate it.

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      JT 3 years ago

      I got mine running with cable adjustments. Had a shop double check and told me that it would need a new trans in the next year our two as it has maxed out adjustments. Thinking of selling this one now and then buying a new one this fall on clearance. Best cut over!

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      OK Al, sorry I can't help any more on that subject. Let me know if you do find an exploded view, thanks

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      Al 3 years ago

      Hi Ed I looked at that site briefly but didn't see any Honda stuff. I will look at it more carefully this coming weekend. I seems that Honda wants you to buy the service manual.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Sounds good Al, try this place ( www.tufftorqservices.com ) if you don't have any luck finding a manual, Matt Hunter left this site in the comments on my YouTube page. Let me know if it helps.

      Thanks for stepping in Ellisimo with all that information, I really appreciate all your feedback, this is growing into such a great community, awesome!

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      Al 3 years ago

      Hi Ed been there and everywhere,any parts diagrams that I have seen don't show the trans parts that I need to see. I think I may have to buy a Honda service manual. I will probably start by looking this evening. I'll keep you posted. Maybe someone has one on ebay to start things off.

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      Ellisimo 3 years ago

      Al - go to PartsTree.com and look up your mower's model and serial number. They have generally helpful blow-up diagrams of the various subsystems of your mower, which will help show you how parts are arranged. Not quite as detailed as a service manual, but probably enough for you to know how things fit together. It worked well for me when I rebuilt the driveshaft bushings attached to the rear wheels of my Honda HRM215HXA. Also, your problem with one wheel turning freely opposite the other most likely means you installed the pinion gear (part # Honda 42661-VE2-800) backwards on one side. There are a number of YouTube videos that show how to install it correctly, and the issue is covered at the top of Eddie's original posting, telling you the drive gear (the pinion gear) is directional.

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      Al 3 years ago

      Hi Ed just an update. I pressed the shaft off part of the trany housing. I guess I bugged it up bad enough to buy a new shaft and the spring clips that go with it. My problem is finding the schematic to put it back togetherDo you have any ideas in that area? Thanks again Al

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      OK Al, sounds good. I think you'll be able to fix it because like you said, the trannys are bullet proof. Keep me posted Al, thanks.

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      Al 3 years ago

      Hi Ed thanks for the quick reply,I have now taken the trany apart and I think I broke something inside by banging on the axle trying to get it freed up and turning. It seems that I forced a snap ring into the housing and it's suck or wedged there for now. I will take it to work in the am and press it out to see what can be done with it. The bad part of this story was that before I changed the seals on the trany after adding quite a bit of hydraulic oil the trans worked fine. The mower was a great find for $30.00 bucks,so I will definitely try to fix it. By the way thanks for the site and these mowers are built like tanks. I will let you know what happens.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Al, did you try flipping one gear over without changing sides? Does the gear have a notch in it where the drift key ratchets? Let me know, thanks.

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      Al 3 years ago

      Hi Eddie I have a 215 hxa hydrostatic drive mower that I recently changed the seals for the trans on. Before I did this job the mower would wheels would rotate in both forward and backwards directions no problem.Now the wheels will turn freely in one direction or the other depending on witch way I have the drive gears on the shafts. I can actually have one wheel lock up when going backwards and have the other wheel lock up going forwards.I've tried switching the gears from one side of the mower to the other and have the same problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey Ellisimo,

      That's some great info for the readers here, keeping the old machines alive until you can't squeeze any more life out of them, lol. Thanks Ellisimo, I really appreciate your feedback.

      Hi JT,

      I would start by checking all the cable adjustments, sometimes the easiest repairs are right under your nose. Keep me posted on what you find JT, thanks.

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      JT 3 years ago

      Wow, what an amazing resource. A neighbor just threw his out because it wasn't running well. It's old, but it looks brand new! I know the engines are strong, but having some issues with the drive train. It will do self-propelled, but only in gear 3. It seems to be maxed out as the other 2 do nothing. It's somewhat inconsistent. I thought it was possibly the trans, but looking at all those amazing metal gear I agree with you that it's built to last. Where do you suggest I start trouble shooting?

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      Ellisimo 3 years ago

      Hi Eddie - I just wanted to share with your readers that just because you have a 15+ year old Honda mower, doesn't mean you need to forego modern features! I just ordered off eBay auction # 281261759274, a universal John Deere mower deck washdown kit for just $12.99. You just drill 2 small holes in the deck: one to accommodate the washdown port, which uses a quick-disconect to connect up to your hose, and the 2nd, smaller hole is to anchor the mounting piece. After you mow the yard, you just connect up your hose, turn on the water and turn on the mower with blade running for about 2 minutes. It'll completely clean out your mower's underside and get rid of clumped-up grass bits so you have a clean mower for your next yard job. I've been envying the built-in ports on new Toro's and Husqvarna mowers, but now I can incorporate this same feature on my Honda HRM215 for a measly $12.99 and that includes free shipping! What's more, the unit is made of aluminum, so it won't get corroded when installed through the Honda's

      Xenoy deck. Who says our HRM 215's are outmoded?

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Brandon, You're very welcome!

      Spring is finally here in NH :) The pulley is located close to the motor, you need to remove the mower blade shroud to see it. Watch my video on how to remove the shroud (or swing it out of the way. Let me know if this helps Brandon, thanks.

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      Brandon 3 years ago

      Hi Eddie, thanks for this amazing hub!

      Fellow New Hampshirite Here. I have an HRM 215 sxa. I cannot figure out where the drive belt sits on the drive shaft end. Any pictures or info you have would be greatly appreciated. I just can't make sense of the two part pulley deal. Thanks again!

      -Brandon

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey Larry,

      That's awesome!! Glad I could help :)

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      larry 3 years ago

      hi Eddie after reading this thread I was able to repair my mother-n-law's harmony 215 drive by merely adjusting the drive cable,,,awesome information,,,, thanks

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Ellisimo,

      This is the kind of information that is priceless!! I want to thank you for coming here and sharing because there are a lot of these mowers out there that can be fixed for a fraction of the cost of what the repair shops will tell you. Cheers to you Ellisimo, I really appreciate the feedback :)

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      Ellisimo 3 years ago

      I recently took my HRM215HXA to the repair shop because it was making a racket out of the drivewheels. They told me they could put new bushings on the driveshaft for $110 but in a year I'd need a new transmission ($200 just for the part!). I pulled the unit out of the shop and started shopping for a new mower in earnest. However, after reading your site, I was inspired to take my rear wheels apart and inspect it for myself. Sure enough, the guy who evaluated it had pulled the worn bushings out of one side; they had worn so badly that the drive gear in my right rear wheel kept losing contact with the gear teeth on the inside of the wheel. That's what made all the noise. Then, I discovered PartsTree.com and for the measly cost of about $20, including shipping, I was able to get new bushings, C--clips, and drive gears and replaced them myself. Now my mower runs good as new and I don't see any kind of evidence that the hydrostatic transmission is in need of replacement. My 17 year old Honda mower runs just great; so glad I don't have to replace it! So, if you've got an intermittent, grating sound coming out of the rear of your HRM215, you may want to check out the plastic driveshaft bushings. It's an easy job and well worth your time. The Parts Tree construction diagrams are a great help, too.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey Guy,

      You got some good info here, so thanks for sharing. If you have pictures, that would be great, I can add them to the article here on this page. I figure, the more info I can gather from people who want to share, the more Honda mowers we can keep alive, lol. You can send them to me by going to my fan mail page, there is a link there to send me an email. If you can't find the link, let me know. Thanks Guy, I really appreciate your feedback.

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      Guy 3 years ago

      Hey Eddie and all,

      I have an hrb215sx with a 2 speed tranny which has a second gear that skips. It runs fine with no load but as soon as it hits the ground, it works sporadically.

      Now honda sells these at a ridiculously high price here in canada, over 300$, which is more than what the mower is worth and there ar e no parts sold separatly.

      So i took the tranny apart and inspected everything but couldnt find any obvious sign of wear.

      Then, looking at it closely, the tip of the gears were slightly worn.

      I then tried this: take the gears and switch so that they would turn backwards instead!

      When you think about it, when the gears rotate, the pressure is always applied at the same contact point, and over time that same point wears out unevenly compared to the other side which remains intact.

      Well guess what, after that change, i put it back together and voila, works like new again, no skipping.

      I must add that i had tried the obvious stuff like adjusting the cables before taking it apart.

      I have some pictures of the transmission i could send if you wish.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey Bruce, that's awesome! Now all I have to do is check that on my Toro, lol. If you add the videos to YouTube and send me the link I can put them on this Hub, if you would like to make your own Hub, just sign up and start making your own Hubs. Let me know what you decide to do Bruce, and thanks for all your feedback.

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      Bruce 3 years ago

      Hey Eddie,

      I went ahead and took that Honda harmony's axle apart,Well actually just had to take the collars off the drive wheels,The axle and transmission stayed put while I removed the axle collars,wheels,etc. Anyway after being able to get to the somewhat rusty axle and then emery cloth the axle till it was nice and shiny I then lubed it all up put it back together and behold it rolled backwards rather nicely,Like I thought the whole axle turns when you pull backward on this model Which I wasnt sure but yes its ok now,When I got it back together another issue popped up and that was it seemed like the brand new belt was slipping at times but notice one piece of the wounded cable was truding out near the transmission so clipped it off and put some pb down in the cable worked it a few times and bam its like new again..although I will need a new drive cable pretty soon but for now all is fine..I have some vid of what Ive done will look into uploading here not sure hoe to do that here yet but If you have the secret available let me know..l0l..Well hope this will help someone else in the future again the model is a Honda Harmony 2 HRT 216.

      Thanks Eddie!

      Bruce.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      That's too funny Arshiacom, in America the Honda Harmony is a lawn mower :) and it's an awesome lawn mower, lol.

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      arshiacom 3 years ago

      Harmony Honda is one of the best automobile company in india and the sales in india of Honda is really great.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey Bruce, curiosity can fix anything, lol. I know exactly what your talking about because I have a Toro that does the same thing, but I use the Honda mower the most, and haven't got a round to diving into the Toro.

      I did notice the rubber guard on the back of the mower deck causes a problem sometimes, it's there to prevent objects from flying out the back side of the mower. Almost every time I would back the mower up it would swing under the mower causing the same issue, just something to check.

      If you figure it out this weekend, take some pictures or a video of what you find and I'll post it here, either way, keep me posted, your feedback is priceless Bruce, and I really appreciate it.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Bruce, I have had that happen on a Toro mower, it will go forward, but pulling it back was a struggle. I would try taking the wheels off and greasing all the moving parts to start and see if it gets any better. Keep me posted Bruce, thanks.

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      NChanger 3 years ago

      Hi Eddie,

      I noticed you were saying earlier that the wheels on a Honda should click going backwards ,But mine click going forwards,It does engage when belt is engaged,But pulling it backward the whole axle wants to turn,which it will when I spin it using force by hand .I was thinking since it sat out in weather that the collars where the axle goes through may be the problem,But have put P.B. few days ago still no help,Any suggestions? Thank you!

      Bruce.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Ok, sounds good tkskagen, if you open the trans, try to make a video or take some pictures so I can have a look, I'll even post them in my article and give you the credit like I did with Donald and Paul, if you can't, that's ok too. I figure the more information I can gather, the more people we can help :) thanks again tkskagen.

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      tkskagen 3 years ago

      Levers are all good with no exccesive wear from the exterior. Still very hesitant to open her up though, don't want to damage the plastic casing...

      Thanks for the transmission repair video, it was very informative!

      I will keep you notified as to which correction I will ho to next.

      -tkskagen

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey tkskagen, the problem usually is with the shift levers or the cable adjustments, I have yet to see a slipping transmission be something wrong inside the transmission. Inspect the levers and cables closely and let me know what you find. also make sure you watch my boring videos, I know I was doing a lot of thinking while recording, but there is a lot of good info in them. Let me know what you find, maybe I can point you in the right direction :) Hey and thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it!!

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      tkskagen 3 years ago

      Axle keys and springs shocked out OK...

      Ordered a new (unadjustable) shift cable, not bad for ~$16.00!

      Still have no idea what the problem could be since it is a "direct drive"...

      Do you Eddie, or any of your other Hondaphiles have any ideas?

      I really want to get this out soon since the snow is coming, and I'm not charging family labor!

      Thank you for your awesome knowledge, I wish there where more people out there like y'all!

      -tkskagen

      Seattle, Washington

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      tkskagen 3 years ago

      My bro-in-law brought me his Harmony HRT216KTDA to fix. He told me that the transmission keeps slipping on him in 2nd, and gets worse in 3rd... I have successfully (and carefully) removed the trans, but am hesitant to open it up. I will check the axle key springs in the morning, but I "REALLY" don't want to mess withe internals since I'm not too sure if internal parts are readily available at my local Honda Power dealer.

      Please HELP! :(

      -tkskagen

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Sam, sorry, didn't see your comment. You could use any type of wheel bearing grease. Are you asking what to use inside the transmission?

      Hey Arshiacom, no problem, glad I could help :)

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      arshiacom 3 years ago

      well thanks for so much info ..

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      Sam 3 years ago

      I have a Honda 215HXA. I want to lube up the drive shaft and am wondering what type of lubricant or grease I should use.

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      No Brewcityfan, you da man, lol. You had the guts to take it apart and figure out what makes it tick, the next time will be even easier, lol. I took mine apart three times, determined to figure out the problem. The last time I took it apart I decided to document it so I could look back a the video and see if I missed anything, but I ended up figuring it out while I documented it.

      If you want to winterize your mower or any machine, I recommend filling your fuel tank and adding stabilizer, then run it for about 5 minutes to get the stabilizer into the carb. I have never fogged my machines, only my boat, but it wouldn't hurt to fog it, I just have never done it before, and I have had some of my machines for 20+ years. It's also good to change your oil before winter so it can sit in nice clean oil while taking a nap for the winter.

      The worst thing you can do when winterizing your machines is to drain the fuel tank and run the carb out of fuel because it's the small unused fuel deposits left in the machine that get all gummed up and cause problems.

      Thanks for all your feedback Brewcityfan, I know someone will gain some knowledge or courage reading your post :) I'll be right here if you need me, take care for now.

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      Brewcityfan 3 years ago from Wisconsin

      Eddie, YOU ARE THE MAN!!! The transmission problem on my Honda Harmony HRM215K1SDA is FIXED!! At least for now... I'm pretty stoked as you can tell. I followed your instructions from your videos and from this post. So here are the details...

      First, I removed both rear wheels, drift gears, drift keys, etc. and black wheel guards. Like Paul above, I couldn't figure out how to remove the wheel heighteners so I left them on. From there, I flipped the mower on it's right side and removed the 3 bolts from the blade guard (left the speed bolt in place). I swung the plastic blade guard out of the way as much as possible, although it was still somewhat in the way. Next, I detached the shifter cable from the control handle and pulled as much of the cord thru the deck as possible for slack. Next, I should have loosened the 10mm nut from the shifter cable to the transmission, but I didn't. (I realized this later when I was trying to remove the big transmission spring). At this time I turned the transmission on its axel towards the front of the mower which allowed me to pull off the drive belt. This was not easy...but not as hard as getting the belt back on later. Once I got the belt off, the transmission turned to the back of the mower, but I could not get the spring off. The reason was because I did not first loosen the 10mm nut and remove the shifter cable from the transmission. With that cable still in place, it was pressing the end of the cable wire into the deck keeping tension on the spring. Once I figured out what was happening, I was afraid I bent the hell out of the cable wire to the point it would no longer work. After I removed the nut and shift cable wire from the transmission, the entire unit eased backwards and I easily removed the belt pulley spring. Next, I swung the transmission around so I could see the top side where the pulley wheel is. I left the drive clutch cable in place on the transmission as you mention. I removed the pulley wheel and this is where I became discouraged. I realized my Honda Harmony was a different model than yours when I saw that mine had plastic shifter levers where yours had the metal ones. My levers looked very similar to the ones in Paul's video, and I'm pretty sure he said his was an 'SDA' model as well. You were able to easily see the wear on the holes of your metal levers, where I did not see wear on my plastic ones. My fear, as I said, was that the problem was somewhere inside the transmission...something I did not have the time or knowledge to dig into further. I played with the lever a little bit going back and forth, but it seemed okay to me. I felt what I thought could be a little play in the lever but nothing I could see as far as wear on the lever itself. SO, I decided to put her all back together, start her back up and winterize her for the season-end until I had the time and better understanding of the guts of the transmission. When I had it put all back together, I pulled the cord a couple of times and it started up....ok good, it still runs. Now to test the drive to see if at least it still at least TRIED to go. I was expecting it not to work at all or at the very least hoped it still just slipped around. But to my amazement, 1st gear was not slipping! Wow, very cool. Ok...let's go for broke and try 2nd gear...and WOO-HOO, 2nd gear was not slipping at all. My driveway is on an incline, so when the mower was able to propel itself to the top I knew the self-propel was working again. I guess just playing with the lever going back and forth may have freed up something on the inside or outside that enabled it to work again. I really have no idea. What I do know is that I would never known how to take it apart and put it back together without you or your page. Thank you so much! I'm very excited to be able to hang onto this fine mower for hopefully years to come. I know they don't make engines or parts like they used to on these older models and I'll take pride in caring for this quality piece of machinery for as long as I can.

      My only regret is not taking more pictures or video of my efforts. I would've like to share them with other Honda owners out there like you and I. When I became discouraged and thought I was not going to be able to fix the problem, I figured there would be no use for them. However, if anyone has any questions for me about what I did, I'll respond to them when I can.

      One more question for you about winterizing your mower...when you winterize, do you drain the entire gas tank of fuel or do you go the other way and fill it up to the top with added fuel stabilizer? I've been trying to find which one is recommended for my Honda model, but haven't found anything. Even the manual is vague and eludes to both. Also, do you ever fog your mower while winterizing? (ok, that's 2 questions)

      Thanks again!

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey Brewcityfan, That's the problem with the Honda Harmony, there are so many different models. I wouldn't be nervous about cracking it open just to have a peek inside, just use a good sealer when closing it back up, and depending on the type of fluid you find inside, you can always replace it with a good oil or grease.

      I know some folks are worried about what type of lube to use in the trans, but think about it, it's a lawn mower, not an Indy car, lol. You just need to replace the lube with something similar, not exact. So I say, give it a shot, you may be able to fix your problem, or maybe not, you got nothing to lose.

      Take pictures as you disassemble it so you can reference them when putting it back together. Let me know how you make out Brewcityfan, and if you get stuck, I'll be right here :)

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      Brewcityfan 3 years ago from Wisconsin

      Ack...nevermind. Figured it out. The unfortunate news is that I don't have the same model as you. I think mine's the same as Paul's who posted his fix about his clutch spring. In case you can't recall, my issue is with the drive slipping in 1st and 2nd gears. My shifters are plastic and don't show the same wear and tear as your metals ones did. So my fear is that the problem is inside the transmission, which I believe to be FAR out of my area of comfort. Any other ideas before I put her all back together?

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      Brewcityfan 3 years ago from Wisconsin

      Hi Eddie.

      How do I get the pulley off of the top of the transmission? The nut turns with the pulley?

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      Eddie Carrara 3 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Brewcityfan, most likely the levers are located on the top of the trans, so I think you would have to completely remove it.

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      Brewcityfan 3 years ago from Wisconsin

      Quick question Eddie, do you think I have to remove the entire transmission to get to the shift levers? Or am I just able to remove the panel under the deck, remove the wheels and access the levers underneath while the transmission is still attached to the axel, etc.?

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      Eddie Carrara 4 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Brewcityfan, I know what you mean about dropping $600 on a new mower if I can restore one for a few bucks. Hubpages will not let me approve any links in the comment box. You can write the name of the sites but you just can't place links, but thanks for the info.

      If you decide to tackle this mower for your winter project, check the shift levers on the transmission for play like in the video, I wouldn't even bother taking apart the transmission. Let me know if you need any advice, and if you figure it out, take pictures and short videos of what you find and I'll add it to this Hub., thanks Brewcityfan.

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      Eddie Carrara 4 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Mike, I don't know where you'll find a breakdown on transmission parts, you'll have better luck finding a mower on craigslist and swapping transmissions. I have found new complete transmissions online but not parts. Let me know if you do find a vendor or if spicer can help, that would be very helpful to all the readers here, thanks.

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      Mike 4 years ago

      Eddie,

      I own an HRM215K3SDA. Transmission suddenly stopped working. Transmission and axle were free wheeling. So I removed and openned it up.

      There is a small, 13 tooth, Bevel Gear, connected to the bottom of the Drive Shaft that drives the entire drive train. It is broke in three clean pieces and needs to be replaced. A very simple fix if I could find one. Problem is: I have been unable to find diagrams or component part lists for the guts of the transmission. Been on-line searching gear vendors but is a real guessing game without specs. Plan to give Spicer, the transmission manufacturer a call in the morning, but not real hopeful to be honest.

      Would sure appreciate help from anyone who knows how to access diagrams or parts lists for Transmission components. I can be reached at MHPDLP@aol.com

      Thank You...Mike

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      Eddie Carrara 4 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Brewcityfan,

      Thanks for all your feedback, I really appreciate it :)

      I have a video on the exact problem you're describing, but there are so many different Honda Harmony transmission models, you'll be very lucky in you have the same one, lol. There is a link to it above the comments here on this page, it called, Honda Harmony 215 Transmission Fix, if you haven't watched that yet, check it out and let me know if it helps, I know I'm a little long winded in it, but I wanted to explain it in detail. There is also a page on how to remove the transmission.

      Try this, put the transmission shift lever in 2nd gear and then engage the wheels, if you put more forward force on the shift lever, do the wheels catch? If so, you can try to adjust the shift cable so it's a little bit tighter, make small adjustments and test it. Let me know what happens Brewcityfan, thanks.

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      Brewcityfan 4 years ago from Wisconsin

      Hi Eddie,

      I came across your hub page when researching a problem with my mower. About a month ago I bought a used Honda Harmony HRM215K1SDA. The motor works great but I'm having trouble with the self-propelling unit. It's pretty much the issue you described in your first post, the when engaging the transmission the wheels are jerky and it feels like its slipping in and out of engagement. I removed both rear wheels (per your helpful videos), cleaned and greased the drift keys, gears, washers and replaced them. Unfortunately there was no improvement. Same jerky ride. 1st gear seems to work a little better than 2nd gear. 2nd gear does not catch at all and 1st gear slips out every 4-5 seconds. Basically I've been pushing the thing around the yard. Burning calories, sure, but I want the darn thing to work!

      Do you think the problem is related to the gear shift cables?

      Im new to lawnmower care, but i love digging in and figuring out how stuff works. There's a lot of great information in this hub and I'd just like to thank you for all your time and effort. We all really appreciate it! This page is great!

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      Eddie Carrara 4 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi Eagleng,

      Any and all information is awesome because there are so many different models of the Harmony 215. Did you watch the video Honda Harmony 215 Transmission Fix? A link to it is right above the comment box.

      You said you have plastic levers, so are mowers are a bit different, The problem I had was the levers had too much play on the shaft, so second gear would not engage fully. If I were to force the shift lever forward and hold it tight at the handlebar, second gear would work fine without slipping or ratcheting. Once I installed the homemade shims, I haven't had a problem with it since, and I use my mower a lot.

      Any information you want to share I will add it to this page and give you credit for it, you can share it on YouTube, then send me a link, or just send it to my email at ed.carrara@gmail.com

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      Eagleng 4 years ago

      Eddy,

      Great information on Honda mower maintenance. I reviewed all the posts to this site but don't find a response that I haven't tried. I have an HRM215SXA with a two speed transmission.

      I have basically rebuilt this entire mower myself including the transmission and blade clutch. My problem still lies in the transmission or an adjustment. It will engage 1st gear strongly with no slippage, but when 2nd gear is selected it will turn the wheels when they are off they are off the ground but will not propel the mower. I have felt the drive shaft it stops turning when the wheels stop being propelled.

      I have removed the cables from both the clutch or drive gear engagement lever and the gear shift to ensure it wasn't a cable travel issue. It isn't. I can manually place the gearshift lever in either gear and have the clutch lever clamped down at full travel. Again 1st gear engages but 2nd gear only spins the wheels and clatters or slips.

      I have disassembled the transmission and can find nothing wrong internally. Furthermore, this transmission has new plastic levers which exhibit no play or looseness. With it removed it seems to function perfectly when driven at high speeds with an air ratchet/impact wrench. I would question belt slippage except for the fact that 1st gear engages plus I have a new belt and crankshaft driven belt pulley installed. your experience and help is appreciated. BTW this transmission has been in and out 3 times this weekend for troubleshooting! I can do it now in under 10 minutes! Including the belt install. I also have some tips for you on belt installation and tipping the transmission.

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      Eddie Carrara 4 years ago from New Hampshire

      That is some good info werewolf1956, On my model, the gear can be put on either way, on the same side, but they are still directional.

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      werewolf1956 4 years ago

      Thanks. My sniffer is working again so was able smell the oil residue in the tranny. It was synthetic gear oil.

      Gear oil has a distinct smell, and the synthetic smells almost the same just not as strong.

      This was the first time to do this type of transmission. Didn't pay much attention on putting the wheels back on. So I didn't hear the clicking sound from the wheels when I manually pushed it forward. When I got it out side and started it and engaged the drive it just sat there. When I looked down I saw the shaft was turning but was quiet.

      Had to block up the bacg of the mower and pull off both wheels and swap around the the drive ratchets. They look alike but are a left and right ratchets. Most of the part sights I looked at give the same part number . Found 1 sight that gave me different part numbers. So everyone needs to be aware that they have to go back on the same

      side they come off of, There directional.

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      Eddie Carrara 4 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hi werewolf1956,

      You could email them to me @ ed.carrara@gmail.com

      Sounds like you enjoy fixing these things up, that's great! When you send the pictures, give me a short description of each one, and if the pictures are clear and detailed I'll add them to this page. Thanks werewolf1956.

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      werewolf1956 4 years ago

      How do I send you pictures of reassembly of HRA 215 SXA ?

      Also have pics of HRC 215 that was ran over, and of John deer that I put together, it originally had a Briggs and Stratton 6.75 that threw the rod. Now has a Honda engine I got free (guy was going to trow it away. Replaced it's plug with a used one I had and it ran great and no smoke. Have Weed Eater mower with factory Honda engine to fix but it's a crappy front drive unit Needs carb and all linkage and bracket. Got it for replacing rope on recoil starter on another one that was like it with origanal B& S engine.

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      Eddie Carrara 4 years ago from New Hampshire

      Hey werewolf1956,

      Seems like someone is always running something over around you, you better be careful. The lube in the transmission is just to lube the gears so I believe using a 20w50 would be fine, like I said, Honda has never used gear oil in their transmission, so why would they use it on a mower trans?

      I can't believe the guy asked for his money back after his wife ran over the mower, that's just crazy. I hope you sold him another mower,lol. Take care for now werewolf1956

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      werewolf1956 4 years ago

      For got to mention that normally I can tell the difference in gear oil and motor oil as gear oil (synthetic or other) has a distinct order besides being thicker. But lately my sniffer is bot working and can't fell differences in tectures of things since a girl making an illegal u-turn and not yealding right of way ran over me. Destroyed my 4 wheel drive wheelchair.

      Any ways sold a guy an HRC215 last year He returned it this morning.

      His wife ran over it and literally broke the base in have. Don't know if the blade clutch is still good but from the look of the twin blades he doesn't pick up stuff before mowing as the smaller shorter blade is missing 3 1/2 inches on one side and the main cutting blade is torn up and bent from hitting hard objects, drive shaft is intact and doesn't look bent. . a lot of parts missing don't know if transmission is messed up yet. Wanted his money back. No way, but now have it on my carport and will look for another base.